i'm of the same generation of president obama. and taking a stand against apartheid in the university community and more broadly in terms of dealing with the disinvestment strategies. also challenging ronald reagan's engagement approach. i think conservatives get amnesia here when they forget that dick cheney wanted to put him on the terrorist list and insisted he stay there. that ronald reagan resisted. he said on the one hand that else in. mandela should be released, but he depended on a white supremacist government to reform itself from within. >> and the issue, mar where? >> when will you ever get tired of beating up on darth vader, who said nelson mandela is a good man. as we saw in the earlier segment, it was a complicated situation. the anc was a terrorist organization at one point. he has since said great things about nelson mandela. i like that what's been said about nelson mandela is said in the same way the pope said what he did. forgiveness and redemption. the pope's widely misinterpreted. and mischaracterized statemen